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@Jodi: the original meaning of the pledge -...

2010-05-11T18:37:41.204+01:00

@Jodi: the original meaning of the pledge - and certainly the impression that was deliberately transmitted to the electorate was that of basically a referendum on our relationship with the EU construct.

Funny how we can have a referendum on PR (which only the smallest of the 3 main parties wanted) but not on the EU (wanted by most of the electorate and promised by all 3 parties).

Of course one referendum gives CamClegg power. The other merely gives us the electorate a say.

Still, if that's the way they want it, then I at least will vote FOR PR, and then for annoying minority parties ever after. The big 3 won't ever see my vote again, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the same.

@Rog: The "cast iron" pledge was pretty ...

2010-05-11T17:05:03.416+01:00

@Rog: The "cast iron" pledge was pretty obviously for before Lisbon was ratified, which it now is. He could hold a referendum on it, but it will mean sod all.

I worked at Hampstead and Kilburn, I can't bla...

2010-05-11T00:42:02.614+01:00

I worked at Hampstead and Kilburn, I can't blame those 41 missed votes on UKIP, but rather 41 people who couldn't be arsed to turn out.

What really hacks me off is that the Conser...

2010-05-11T00:22:41.306+01:00

What really hacks me off is that the Conservatives have offered a referendum to the utter failure/nobody LibDems (on PR), yet have reneged on the "cast-iron" pledge to give us a referendum on our relationship with the EU. (Please no "lisbon/not-Lisbon" hair-splitting).

I'm probably a "natural" Tory voter, but as it stands, I'll bloody well vote UKIP again at the next election unless Dave or his replacement finally deliver the referendum that matters.

Sod it. Principle and country before party from now on.

Dear Mr Bear, We had nothing better to do with ou...

2010-05-10T20:39:56.923+01:00

Dear Mr Bear,

We had nothing better to do with our afternoon, so we made this to express our feelings about the labour leadership election

https://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy132/HATTIE1/new_labia_leadership_contest_LIVEAT.gif

Ahhhh bless this brightened up our day (we aren't pros by any means)

I thought the I in UKIP stood for "Independen...

2010-05-10T19:40:16.286+01:00

I thought the I in UKIP stood for "Independence" not "Imbecile"

Thanks to UKIP's inability to put aside their squabbling about the EU, which in the face of all our problems is not all that important, we're stuck with a LibLab or LibCon pact.

Well done!

The one person I know for sure voted UKIP (not me;...

2010-05-10T18:27:12.127+01:00

The one person I know for sure voted UKIP (not me; I'm a foreigner and don't have a vote) loathes Cameron and his nuTory party. So, actually...yes. He's very pleased with himself.

could someone please tell me what europe is for an...

2010-05-10T14:16:10.467+01:00

could someone please tell me what europe is for anyway? - holcombe.brighton@talktalk.net

Well, since we are in a period of 'doing deals...

2010-05-10T10:29:54.225+01:00

Well, since we are in a period of 'doing deals' and in the event of another GE having to be called, perhaps Nigel Farage should do a deal with Cameron saying that UKIP will not put up any candidates AT ALL next time around.

In return, Cameron could offer him a role inside the Conservative Party (via a safe seat?). UKIP were always a 'one man' Party and under Lord Pearson's leadership they have degenerated in utter farce.

After all, the best way to neutralise a maverick is to bring them into the tent (remember Bernie Grant, Diane Abbott etc.).

FB

I do not just blame the tories on the whole EU sag...

2010-05-09T23:35:31.117+01:00

I do not just blame the tories on the whole EU saga - ALL PARTIES have been undemocratic on this issue.

Sadly I thought Cameron was different - he is not.

How can the political class of this country keep signing away power. It is OUR power it is not theirs to sign away like this. Shame on them ALL!!

Its one of those interesting assumptions made by t...

2010-05-09T21:00:24.473+01:00

Its one of those interesting assumptions made by the political chattering classes that simply has no grounding in empirical reality. Perhaps someone would like to show me the comprehensive research that has been undertaken which proves UKIP voters are Conservatives voting in principled opposition to the European Union.

In reality, UKIP voting is in fact a more complex phenomenon then is often suggested by those Conservatives who themselves are usually ardent eurosceptics.......

I was there at the Morley count and to see that be...

2010-05-09T20:02:16.955+01:00

I was there at the Morley count and to see that beaming, doddering fool of a UKIP candidate deprive Calvert of victory over Balls is particularity galling.
When will UKIP people put aside their moral vanity and get real. They don't have a snowballs hell in chance of winning. They would be much more effective as a pressure group within the Conservative Party

Cameron has only himself (and Scotland of course) ...

2010-05-09T19:05:29.404+01:00

Cameron has only himself (and Scotland of course) to blame for failing to gain a majority. If he had agreed to a referendum on EU membership, UKIP would have stood aside and Cameron would have sat in no. 10 on Friday - without Persil Clegg at his side.

Blame the useless bunch of Europhiles in the Tory party who would rather miss out on a majority than give the public some democracy for once.

"I hope they're pleased with themselves.&...

2010-05-09T16:44:01.055+01:00

"I hope they're pleased with themselves."
As someone who stood for UKIP, YES I bloody well am, thank you.

We want Balls around. The Labour infighting will b...

2010-05-09T11:03:34.805+01:00

We want Balls around.
The Labour infighting will be so much more entertaining...

Er, entry into the EEC, Maastricht... Under which...

2010-05-09T02:45:03.330+01:00

Er, entry into the EEC, Maastricht...

Under which party's governance?

Oh, yes...

I think any blame for not getting a simple majorit...

2010-05-09T02:30:19.639+01:00

I think any blame for not getting a simple majority should be rested firmly at the door of your leader and his Pro EU stance.
To blame UKIP for offering the public what they want is laughable.
You guys backed out of offering the UK a referendum on the EU and therefore you really cannot say Jack Sh*t!
Personally if the Cons had offered a EU referendum I would have voted for you. You didn't offer anything and therefore I voted UKIP.
I do not care that the Cons did not get in because to me they are just a Blue version of Labour.

UKIP has foiled a Tory victory in Somerton & F...

2010-05-09T01:24:43.982+01:00

UKIP has foiled a Tory victory in Somerton & Frome the last 4 elections. Trouble is the LibDim has doubled his majority every time and it now stands at 1,600. Thanks UKIP.

How do you think those UKIP voters feel about Dave...

2010-05-09T00:38:07.554+01:00

How do you think those UKIP voters feel about Dave cuddling up with euro-fanatic Nick?

I cannot have a dig at the principled approach by ...

2010-05-08T23:02:27.882+01:00

I cannot have a dig at the principled approach by UKIP voters.

Hestletine, Clarke let their Euro obsession stop them becoming prime minister of this country.

The conservatives have tore themselves apart ever since they knifed thatcher over Europe.

Still no referendum! I am not reading the script obviously - Dave had plenty of time to offer a referendum to UKIP voters, he declined and he nearly joined Hestletine and Clarke as a 'nearly man' all for the love of Europe.

If the conservatives would lance this boil they would be a force to be reckoned with.

Also Cameron's A list flopped badly, so Dave has to take a fair share of the blame here.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO maddening!

2010-05-08T22:58:22.340+01:00

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO maddening!

The EU Referendum blog has compiled a list as well...

2010-05-08T22:21:25.807+01:00

The EU Referendum blog has compiled a list as well - but taking in the BNP vote too. (not sure if thats relevant , as BNP types tend to migrate from Labour).

But in any case , the total is 40 seats:

https://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/05/ukip-effect-full-list.html

All DC needed to do was announce a full cost benef...

2010-05-08T21:02:00.681+01:00

All DC needed to do was announce a full cost benefit analysis as proposed by the Taxpayers Alliance.

How about Dave giving ground to natural Tories instead?

Cast Iron Guarantee.

2010-05-08T17:39:08.650+01:00

Cast Iron Guarantee.

Pointless cunch of bunts. I hope they're pleas...

2010-05-08T17:26:53.065+01:00

Pointless cunch of bunts. I hope they're pleased with themselves.