Comments on Tory Bear - right-wing political gossip: Guest Post: Ahh University

I feel that I have lost out. I've been at Impe...

2009-07-09T21:25:59.918+01:00

I feel that I have lost out. I've been at Imperial for 3 year, where socialists are in a minority.

Every paper that comes to our Council that has any tones of socialism gets heavily amended then normally falls. Ones supporting Palestine get about 2 of 40 votes!

What is above just doesn't sound like the Uni that I go to.

We have even had a card carrying Tory as president 2 years ago.

Yes we do have Lord Winston and Lord Darzi both of who are Labour, but after talking to Winston he didn't come across as a Socialist.

@Anonjerks Underhanded and disgusting jokes about...

2009-07-09T12:59:55.750+01:00

@Anonjerks

Underhanded and disgusting jokes about Glasgow should not be tolerated on this comments board.

1) Glasgow has three universities.
2) Two of them have a world class reputation.

So you two morons (who are probably the same person) should be the ones to get out.

Glasgow has a uni? I's surprised the average l...

2009-07-09T10:28:20.882+01:00

Glasgow has a uni? I's surprised the average life expectancy is higher than the joining age...

Glasgow? Ha! Moron. Get out of here.

2009-07-08T21:00:38.391+01:00

Glasgow? Ha! Moron. Get out of here.

Sounds like SOAS when I was there.

2009-07-08T20:52:39.047+01:00

Sounds like SOAS when I was there.

Aric. I never directly compared socialism to commu...

2009-07-08T19:31:31.064+01:00

Aric. I never directly compared socialism to communism in any empirical sense. Nor was I trying to. Sure there are differences, as there are differences between Che and Stalin. But that doesn't change the fact that both are cut from the same intellectual cloth, both radical strains of that horrible disease - leftism. Both deny the individual ownership the products of his or her labour. Both place the welfare of the state or community above the welfare of the individual. And both implicitly and often explicitly condone the use of violence to achieve those ends. Don't forget that Marx was very clear about socialism being a necessary precursor to communism. A wolf is miles away from a Chihuahua, but both are a version of canis lupus.

Ahh, university. I'm afraid that whilst the ...

2009-07-08T16:17:52.624+01:00

Ahh, university.

I'm afraid that whilst the NuLieBore mantra has been to get everyone to get a remarkably shitty piece of paper, those of us with real degrees* are feeling that our work is being devalued by the increasing number of BA Media Studies types out there. Grrr.

Get back, ye aspirationalists who believe that Bolton is a university. Back too, those of you who believe that your poly should be considered in the same breath as such august seats of learning as mine.**

We must return to a time when the only subjects available at university were those that had a definite meaning at the end. This means:

1. Vocational subjects REQUIRING a degree (e.g., medicine NOT hairdressing)

2. Arts and humanities only where these are justified (e.g., no more History of Art - I mean, what?!)

3. Science. Lots and lots of science and reams of original research.

* MSc Pure Mathematics
** Glasgow

Why so serious? University is for fun. Enjoy life ...

2009-07-07T21:02:47.792+01:00

Why so serious? University is for fun. Enjoy life whilst your young otherwise you will regret it for the rest of your life.

Excellent description of the left wing intelligent...

2009-07-07T20:32:42.130+01:00

Excellent description of the left wing intelligentsia and how they hold a monopoly of power like their left wing statist heroes.

Are you kidding? Che's a capitalist hero. You ...

2009-07-07T17:04:57.376+01:00

Are you kidding? Che's a capitalist hero. You can't go to the shops without seeing mass produced consumer products with his face on.

Sadly it doesn't get any better in the real wo...

2009-07-07T15:57:03.505+01:00

Sadly it doesn't get any better in the real world. Not with the BBC on our boxes. Socialist b*****d idiots.

Stalin and Che? Two murdering authoritarian lefti...

2009-07-07T14:54:55.027+01:00

Stalin and Che?

Two murdering authoritarian lefties?

Your point?

Okay. As a right-wing, Conservative supporting Lib...

2009-07-07T14:53:06.869+01:00

Okay. As a right-wing, Conservative supporting Libertarian I should support the sentiment in this right?

No. I'm entering my 2nd year at university and although the left-wing monopoly of thought in universities is disgusting and torturous.

However, comparing socialism to communism is just incorrect. Comparing Che Guevara to Stalin is just incorrect.

Other than that I see your point.

Adam, You don't need that to make you annoyin...

2009-07-07T14:14:01.174+01:00

Adam,

You don't need that to make you annoying.

Best wishes,

Karl Marx

Champagne socialism? I'm much more fond of ale...

2009-07-07T14:09:52.567+01:00

Champagne socialism? I'm much more fond of ale. Or maybe port...

I love the rhetoric here. I always think it's hilarious when the right compares the fascism of the USSR to the democratic socialism of Sweden etc that most British lefties aspire to. Presumably, in that case, you are in favour of the libertarian system in Somalia at the moment..?

Of course, the best thing about studying Marx is that we lefties get to feel all smug and tell ourselves that your views are just a product of the factors of production in the economy when you were growing up. How annoying does that make us?!

There was a lot of rhetoric, but not much insight ...

2009-07-07T13:49:23.586+01:00

There was a lot of rhetoric, but not much insight in that post. Perhaps you were too busy hunting for reds when they taught empiricism?

It's the same story at most universities. No...

2009-07-07T13:00:45.478+01:00

It's the same story at most universities.

Not sure loving Thatcher makes you a Libertarian though.

This is spot on. My university days were plagued ...

2009-07-07T12:53:24.489+01:00

This is spot on. My university days were plagued with having to listen to European students harp on about society's duties, political correctness and the constant call to scrap Trident/military investment/any chance of maintaining sovreignty.

Blithering idiots, and I can't say I'm sad to see the backs of most of them.

True to form, most have become teachers, public sector apparatchiks or are exploring their 'inner selves' i.e. whoring themselves around to pseudo-charities and looking down their noses at the private sector.

Twats.

Ah yes, the leftist record. I attach below a list ...

2009-07-07T12:41:13.755+01:00

Ah yes, the leftist record. I attach below a list of Labour manifesto points since 1997.

From what I can make out, the only promises they have kept involve how much money they will spend.

All actual targets such as No. 9 "we will clean up politics" and No. 16 "Mortgages as low as possible, low inflation and sound public finances. As we deliver economic stability not return the economy to Tory boom and bust" have been dramatic failures.

Who the hell votes for them?

1997 Manifesto

1 Education will be our number one priority
2 There will be no increase in the basic or top rates of income tax
3 We will provide stable economic growth
4 We will get 250,000 young unemployed off benefit and into work
5 We will rebuild the NHS, reducing spending on administration and increasing spending on patient care
6 We will be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime
7 We will help build strong families and strong communities
8 We will safeguard our environment, and develop an integrated transport policy to fight congestion and pollution
9 We will clean up politics
10 We will give Britain the leadership in Europe which Britain and Europe need

2001 Manifesto

11 Prosperity for all
12 World-class public services
13 A modern welfare state
14 Strong and safe communities
15 Britain strong in the world
16 Mortgages as low as possible, low inflation and sound public finances. As we deliver economic stability not return the economy to Tory boom and bust
17 10,000 extra teachers and higher standards in secondary schools
18 20,000 extra nurses and 10,000 extra doctors in a reformed NHS
19 6,000 extra recruits to raise police numbers to their highest ever level
20 Pensioners' winter fuel payment retained, minimum wage rising to £4.20

2005 Manifesto

21 Economy: Rising prosperity in an opportunity society. Forward to increased prosperity, not back to boom and bust
22 BY 2010: Full employment in every region and nation
23 Education: More children making the grade
24 BY 2010: Every 16-year-old offered school, college,
training or apprenticeship
25 Crime and security: Safe communities, secure borders
26 BY 2010: A neighbourhood policing team in every community
27 Our NHS: Free to all, personal to each
28 Older people: Secure today, prepared for the future
29 BY 2010: A long-term settlement for pensions
30 Families: Choice and support at work and at home
31 BY 2010: Universal, affordable childcare for three to 14-year-olds and a Sure Start Children’s Centre in every community
32 International policy: A stronger country in a secure, sustainable and just world
33 BY 2010: A strong Britain in a reforming Europe, 300 million out of poverty, global action on climate change
34 Quality of life: Excellence for all
35 BY 2012: An Olympic legacy for Britain
36 Democracy: Power devolved, citizens empowered
37 BY 2010: Stronger local government, with local communities able to make the key decisions about their own neighbourhoods

I hug trees, hope that doesn't make me a left ...

2009-07-07T12:39:20.659+01:00

I hug trees, hope that doesn't make me a left wing socialists. Should add I cuddle my dogs & horses as well. Give the students a few years in the real World, they soon change their views.

The book promises to be interesting! When you have...

2009-07-07T12:29:34.390+01:00

The book promises to be interesting! When you have a couple of chapters I'll give you my agent's details, she's said she'll have a look at it.