Comments on Tory Bear - right-wing political gossip: The Bagshaw Coup

Gez, I think that you were a wonderful chair and a...

2010-01-14T04:53:11.939Z

Gez, I think that you were a wonderful chair and are an even finer human being.
warm regards,
Simon Radford :)

Anon@23:32:"Actually delivering: With more co...

2010-01-13T10:02:04.869Z

Anon@23:32:"Actually delivering: With more councillors, proper motions passed at national conference, and real inluence on the national stage..."

Yup, that's exactly the kind of empty boast about 'delivering' I mean. You're using the language of 'delivering', but that has nothing to do with 'delivering'.

Okay, so you got more MPs and councillors elected. Okay, so you've passed some motions. Okay, so you've put out some press releases. No-one denys any of that.

BUT HOW HAS ANY OF THIS MADE A FLYING FUCK TO A SINGLE PERSON'S LIFE?

That's what I'm getting at. You Lib Dems need to get some proportion. What has LY actually done that's changed ordinary peoples' lives for the better? Everything you're saying is about process, and how much you've put in to the political process. There's nothing about outcome.

LY doesn't do casework. It doesn't make anyone's life better. It just swans around feeling important. You kiddies really need to drop the titles. Sheesh, Presidents and Vice-Presidents of real-life organisations don't resign every 5 minutes. Sometimes I think you guys just take office so you can get the badge on your CV, then resign.

Ok Whispers: Actually campaigning: And certainly ...

2010-01-12T23:32:50.244Z

Ok Whispers:

Actually campaigning: And certainly not ignored, with record membership and record inluence in the party.

Actually protesting: On the last climate change march there were loads in Glasgow and at least 30 in London (and way more Lib Dems). We dwarfed the Cons, Labs, and Greens.

Actually delivering: With more councillors, proper motions passed at national conference, and real inluence on the national stage...

By the way - scrapping after 6 years is a realistic aim. It isn't our fault Labour screwed the economy so.

Anon@11:10:"There really can be no doubt that...

2010-01-12T16:11:09.505Z

Anon@11:10:"There really can be no doubt that it is much improved and fighting fit (actually campaigning, actually protesting, actually delivering for young people across the UK)"

Dunno what that means.

"actually campaigning" - the old LDYS did loads of campaigning on issues like drugs and fees. They were just ignored. Now LY does loads of campaigning. And are just ignored.

"actually protesting" = the old LDYS had the same 10 people turn up at every demo. LY, er, does the same.

"actually delivering for young people across the UK" - fancy words, but a total lie. What has LY ever delivered? Name one thing it has done nationally that's made students lives better. Just one. Yeah, you can talk about leaflet delivering and going to demos, but name some RESULTS.

Hell, you can't even deliver your own party leader on fees! (Nice work by Vince there, getting the party to agree that 6 more years of fees sounds like "scrapping fees")

LY is useless, and lets itself get pushed around. And Bagshaw's ambition was only one of its problems.

Anon@13:32:"I note that she has slung no mud ...

2010-01-12T14:12:55.299Z

Anon@13:32:"I note that she has slung no mud back, and credit to her."

Ha! There is no way anon@15:03 yesterday is NOT Elaine slinging mud back. And ask yourself why Elaine's not come to the defence of her reputation, either - she's sitting quiet because she's scared of some of the other things which we could still bring up about this resignation.

I doubt anyone will - you see, Elaine is still lik...

2010-01-12T13:32:54.447Z

I doubt anyone will - you see, Elaine is still liked, and is still popular.

She is a good person, who made some bad judgements and was removed by her exec. as a result.

I note that she has slung no mud back, and credit to her. And her exec. have slung not mud forwards either.

James Shaddock has just resigned as VC Communicati...

2010-01-12T13:18:47.889Z

James Shaddock has just resigned as VC Communications.

Why is it I always have to come to TB to get the t...

2010-01-12T12:26:58.631Z

Why is it I always have to come to TB to get the truth behind Bagshaw's emails?

Depressing as it is to have to come to a Tory site, thanks for helping this slightly more casual LY member understand what is actually going on.

Anyone from the LD blogosphere care to step up?

Anon 07:29 - Now now, Elaine hardly saw LY tear it...

2010-01-12T11:10:26.250Z

Anon 07:29 - Now now, Elaine hardly saw LY tear itself apart: There really can be no doubt that it is much improved and fighting fit (actually campaigning, actually protesting, actually delivering for young people across the UK) - even if Elaine has been removed, the rest of the exec are absolutely fantastic.

Can't wait 'til TB tries to go after them...

2010-01-12T07:29:29.403Z

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Anon@16:21: "Ali G was (no-conned) three time...

2010-01-11T21:21:26.766Z

Anon@16:21: "Ali G was (no-conned) three times."
Gez Smith@17:19: "With only two conferences where that could have happened in the year she was chair. Impressive stuff."

FLMAO.

Since ex-chair Alison Goldsworthy is one of the few people to get a mention in Bagshaw's resignation letter as one of her inner circle, that's not great! TB, if you think Bagshaw's like Vicky Pollard, you haven't been round long enough to remember Ali G's time in office!

Oh, and the latest resignation makes this gem from...

2010-01-11T19:18:45.354Z

Oh, and the latest resignation makes this gem from March deliciously apt:

https://www.torybear.com/2009/03/where-there-is-discord-may-we-bring.html

look at that f***ing love connection

Fourth time of posting lucky. Informed Lib Dem s...

2010-01-11T19:11:50.256Z

Fourth time of posting lucky.

Informed Lib Dem said...
If the comment at 14.46 today was left by "PP" - You'd better watch his back - after all you've got no God to pray to have you?

Had I posted the comment I would have submitted it under my own name, as it is so similar to my current facebook status. Instead someone has repeated part of it - my full status reads:

‘Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead. Which old witch? The Wicked Witch!’

Anonymous at 16:21, your version of history is very different to mine. In fact you seem to be rewriting it. It is time to put this issue to bed however and for Liberal Youth to move on and to bigger and better things. It’s the least it and everyone involved deserves.

Viva la Liberal Youth.

Informed Lib Dem said... If the comment at 14.46 t...

2010-01-11T18:29:14.407Z

Informed Lib Dem said...
If the comment at 14.46 today was left by "PP" - You'd better watch his back - after all you've got no God to pray to have you?

Had I posted the comment I would have submitted it under my own name, as it is so similar to my current facebook status. Instead some one has repeated part of it - my full status reads:

‘Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead. Which old witch? The Wicked Witch!’

Anonymous at 16:21, your version of history is very different to mine. In fact you seem to be rewriting it. It is time to put this issue to bed however and for Liberal Youth to move on and to bigger and better things. It’s the least it and everyone involved deserves.

Viva la Liberal Youth.

"giving her three days to resign immediately&...

2010-01-11T18:05:24.172Z

"giving her three days to resign immediately"

Slightly 'Colemanballs' there.

Informed Lib Dem [sic] said... If the comment at 1...

2010-01-11T17:49:26.245Z

Informed Lib Dem [sic] said...
If the comment at 14.46 today was left by "PP" - You'd better watch his back - after all you've got no God to pray to have you?

Had I posted the comment I would have submitted it under my own name, as it is so clearly similar to my facebook status. Instead some one has plagiarised part of my status - my full status reads:

‘Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead. Which old witch? The Wicked Witch!’

Anonymous at 16:21, your version of history is very different to my own. In fact you seem to be rewriting history. It’s time to put this issue to bed however and for Liberal Youth to move on and to bigger and better things. It’s the least it and everyone involved deserves.

Viva la Liberal Youth.

"Gez, you should have been." Aw, bless...

2010-01-11T17:19:33.422Z

"Gez, you should have been."

Aw, bless you. I'm happy to be judged on the enemies I've gained.

"Ali G was three times."

With only two conferences where that could have happened in the year she was chair. Impressive stuff.

"Mark I think was or managed to avoid it with a last minute jump."

Or 'coming to the end of his term' as it's more commonly called.

"And I know plenty more who were over time."

Who you naturally choose not to cite, lest it back up your case. You're not actually talking about no cons here are you, just people trying to get rid of people. Or 'youth politics' as it's more commonly called.  

"Elaine's first no-con was not what I was referring to. That was flawed and wrong and rightly lost."

Seems like it might have been timely judging by the stories coming out of the organisation over the last year. Even Elaine's resignation letter refers to her having 'screaming rows' with people, hardly a mark of professionalism.

  "The second one (I was referring to this majority of exec of course) was successful."

Well, technically it wasn't was it, as she resigned before it was passed.   

"The first lot of resignations in Elaine's first year were good riddance and Liberal Youth was completely turned around by Elaine into what it is today: Really rather effective. And it still will be."

Lol. Attendance at the last conference was in the 20's wasn't it?

Elaine has tried to rewrite history to an impressive degree. A very great many know the truth to be very different. A lot of it's out on the web from before anyway. Now she's gone, it might be timely to stop trying to pretend that Vietnam was only lost because of the actions of left wingers. Especially in the context.

Gez, you should have been. Ali G was three times. ...

2010-01-11T16:21:02.860Z

Gez, you should have been. Ali G was three times. Mark I think was or managed to avoid it with a last minute jump. And I know plenty more who were over time.

Elaine's first no-con was not what I was referring to. That was flawed and wrong and rightly lost.

The second one (I was referring to this majority of exec of course) was successful.

The first lot of resignations in Elaine's first year were good riddance and Liberal Youth was completely turned around by Elaine into what it is today: Really rather effective. And it still will be.

This later lot was evidence of some underlying problems. A shame for all but a death knell for nobody.

PS I stand corrected TB - You beat the press release, well done.

Well that's a more provable all time record th...

2010-01-11T16:18:31.361Z

Well that's a more provable all time record than the ones cited in the resignation letter then certainly.

I heard that the number of resingations during Ela...

2010-01-11T15:38:29.672Z

I heard that the number of resingations during Elaine's Tenure as LY Dic... Chair was around 30 in total.

Gez, I think the total number of resignations wa...

2010-01-11T15:36:52.949Z

Gez,

I think the total number of resignations was somewhere between 25 and 30.

Rgds.

"What, and vote Scarlett? i'd rather shov...

2010-01-11T15:35:57.019Z

"What, and vote Scarlett? i'd rather shove wasps up my arse.

11 January 2010 15:24"

And I would rather shove wasps up your arse than have anything to do with Liberal Youth again. Perfectly comfortable where I am thank you Anon. xx

Anonymous 15:03, what on earth are you talking abo...

2010-01-11T15:30:00.798Z

Anonymous 15:03, what on earth are you talking about? I can't think of a single chair who had a motion of no confidence brought against them for years, unless Mark Gettleson was, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

I didn't have one brought against me, Chris Lomax didn't, Brian Robson didn't, Ali G didn't I don't think, Miranda P did two terms happily enough, and so on.

There will always be someone talking about no conning the chair, but for a motion to be brought is exceptional. For a majority of the exec then to call on you to go seems unprecedented.

As unprecedented as the number of resignations under Elaine too. How many was it in the end?

What, and vote Scarlett? i'd rather shove wasp...

2010-01-11T15:24:58.251Z

What, and vote Scarlett? i'd rather shove wasps up my arse.

beat the press release 15.03 -see twitter.

2010-01-11T15:21:01.762Z

beat the press release 15.03 -see twitter.